http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2008-02-08/funimation-negotiating-to-acquire-geneon-titles

I don't care for the quality of Funimation's releases.

1. Their DVDs make you watch like 2 minutes worth of crap (i.e., ads) before getting to the menu.
2. They take a lot of liberty with the translations for the dub.
3. The quality of the DVD encode is not the best of the remaining large-scale anime distributors left in the US.
4. Their releases are overpriced IMO.

Personally, I would prefer ADV to get the Nanoha series. But if Funimation does get it, that wouldn't stop me from buying it.

>>2

Really? I think Funi is one of the better R1 anime companies. They've certainly come a long way since their DBZ days.

1.) You can always skip it
2.) You're right about that, but as a dub watcher, I don't particularly mind. Most won't watch it dubbed anyways.
3.) Frankly I never notice stuff like video quality and sound quality between releases of different companies. It all looks/sounds good to me.
4.) I find their prices fair, especially when they have higher episode counts. Also, it's very likely they'd release Nanoha and A's as season box sets for $50 like they're doing with Aquarion. That would be awesome.

I wouldn't have liked ADV picking it up, because they always use the same voice actors in most of their stuff. They've gotten a lot better at that lately, but you'll still hear familiar voices all the time. Since Funi doesn't do in-studio dubbing, the casts are far more diverse.

I'm just happy there's a possibility we'll get Nanoha in R1, no matter who brings it to us (excluding Bandai Visual).

>>2

1. Annoying adds. You can't skip it, it has that annoyong Anti-Skip feature
2. Don't give 2 cents on the dub, but I'm curious how bad a Nanoha dub would be.
3. The quality is, of course, way worse then the R2
4. The price is pretty fair, I mean...it's not the kind of price Bandai charges

>>4 You can't skip it, it has that annoyong Anti-Skip feature

Really? I always found a way to skip them.

As long as 4Kids stays far away...

Odds are they'll use the geneon encodes for shows like Higu and rozen but Nanoha and others would be another story

>>6
Oh the horrors!!

If ADV got the license Spike Spencer would play Yuuno, guaranteed.

Not that I have anything against the man (and I thought he was great in Nadesico) but enough people are down on Yuuno as it is and maybe no other voice actor save Wendee Lee generates the kind of vitriol he does.

>>6
OH MY GOD.........Can you IMAGINE what that would be like?

Wouldn't be too bad actually. 4Kids can actually do decent jobs when the show itself is rather kid friendly. Their dubs of Tokyo Mew Mew and FZero were rather good. Yu-gi-oh wasn't too bad either. Naturally the names would be americanized and Precia beating Fate would be edited around, but they have no reason to alter anything else, because they can use the 'They're not physically being hurt! Just hit with magic!' excuse.

It definitely wouldn't be as bad as One Piece.

>>11 Agent of the Dark ones, do not speak their vile name in conjunction with word relating to Good, or other words that describe such...........

-G

>>11
Have you actually SEEN the show? Human experiments, cloning, life/death battles...ring a bell? And why the HELL would ANYONE want ANYTHINH censored? To hell with 4Kids, back to the hell they came from.

>>11
Tokyo Mew Mew and Yu-Gi-Oh were GOOD? WTF? So THAT"S why people are cursing at the very NAME of 4Kids when you mention those shows? I always thought it was becuse they censored the show, changed the story, etc.....yes......that is a "good" way to dub anime.......

When you're re-working it for a children's market, yes. I tend to look at things in the context presented. How well did FZero, Yu-gi-oh and Tokyo Mew Mew work as an american children's show? Rather well without being obviously hacked up (like One Piece). Heck, FZero still dealt with intergalactic crime syndacites.

Naturally I in no way want 4kids to have gotten Nanoha, but had they gotten it, I wouldn't be out for blood because it probably would have been decent (by their standards).

Then again, I'm some one who loved Cardcaptors.

>>15
Then I have nothing more to say.....if you loved Cardcaptors.....

>>15 It's a WITCH, Quick someone Find a duck

-G

coughcheckmynamecough

>>18 Okay now we need a large scale.....

-G

Before you burn me at the stake, just keep in mind that I will come back and haunt you. Maybe I shall even place a curse that makes 4kids pick up Nanoha. It shall be the sweetest revenge! BWAHAHAHA.

>>20 We won't burn you, we'll just trap you in a British Comedy

-G

>>15
I liked Cardcaptor Sakura. looks about nervously
However, having seen both the Japanese and 4Kids versions of Sonic X and Tokyo Mew Mew and Kirby, I say that 4Kids butchers anime. True, they do market to kids (hence the name). However, if the show cannot be left mostly intact, don't bother importing it -- or at least give us uncut DVD versions.
Of course, some of the cuts are not their fault. US cartoons are cut to around 20 minutes or less in length to make room for commercials (sigh), so some stuff has to get cut for the network market.
But TMM, come on! Changing the episode sequence is inexcusable.

>>22

I'm talking about Cardcaptors, the americanized version put out by Nevada. All the dub really replaced was some of the pedophillia and improper student/teacher relationships. And made Tomoyo less of a lesbian. I also liked the dub voices. Heck, I have movie 1 on DVD.

Though this all may be because I saw the americanized version first when I was younger and Cardcaptors was a beloved childhood series of mine. I have seen the 'true' japanese versions of Tokyo Mew Mew and most of Card Captor Sakura, but in hindsight, I still didn't think the americanized versions were that bad. Hell, 'Mew Mew Power' is what got me interested in Tokyo Mew Mew in the first place.

One Piece on the other hand I was into the japanese version first, so its horridity wasn't lost on me. Atleast 4Kids' dub gave me something to ridicule for half an hour. Good times.

>>23
Pedophillia.....?.....What the hell were YOU watching?

>>24

I could ask you the same thing. In the original Card Captor Sakura, Sakura's classmate was in a romantic relationship with their teacher.

Also, they removed Syaoran's boy crush on Yukito.

>>25
You have no clue what you are talking about do, you? Well, ignorance IS bliss, so I'll just leave it at that.

>>26

Yup, you're right. There was absolutely -no- deeper relationship between that girl and her teacher. Forgive me for ever questioning your vast intelligence [/sarcasm]

But I really shouldn't keep agitating you lest you drag yet another thread through the mud.

I'm one of those who got Geneons uncut version of CCS, even the two movies later...
It was just happenstance that I picked the first volumes back when Geneon was releasing it, but I never looked back after that...actually, CCS was, and is, one of my alltime favorite series^^.
What that series had, was quality, with a big "Q". A robust and involving storyline, great art, and the magic hand of CLAMP, what else should an otaku wish for^^?
I've also watched since then the first volume of Cardcaptors, and frankly, had that been my first acquintance, and impression, CCS would have been at the bottom of my dumpster. I'm genuinely glad it wasn't... What 4Kids did, was pure sacrilege against Card Captor Sakura. Like (force-)changing the setting from Japan(Tokyo) to US(guess how that affected such a pivotal part of the storyline as "Tokyo Tower", among other things...).
>>27
Of course, CCS deals with a lot of issues the american cartoons wouldn't touch with a long stick. It wouldn't been CLAMP if it didn't. But seriously, the anime only showed Rika's crush over her teacher...a few times over 70 episodes...and how many of us have had crushes like that back then?...if that's too much for you, then you should check out the manga(released by Tokyopop). That'll probably make your head boil over...Better yet, check out Kodomo no Jikan, we're sure to send you get-well cards to the asylum...
Jokes aside, it's hardly surprising Nelvana only released a handful of the "Cardcaptors" DVDs...
>>22
No need to be embarrased^^, I'm 34(...uuh) so I'm the strange one in the bunch, I guess?...

>>28
Age does not matter when enjoying anime. I'm 22 and I LOVE Card Captor Sakura. And yes, that show was quality, quality, quality. You are right about the subjects touched, most american cartoons ain't got nothing on CCS.
But, I MUST correct you on something: It's "CardCRAPtors" not "CardCAPtors" that nelvana released.

Indeed, there's no pedophilia in Card Captor Sakura. Rika has a crush on her teacher, not the other way around. I don't think there's any instance of an adult who loves a kid (in the sexual sense).
Note: I'm talking about the TV series here.

OTOH, there's lots of homosexuality in the series, but in Japan, it's not really an issue.

>>28
I don't think it makes sense to compare Card Captor Sakura and Cardcaptors. The former is an anime. The latter is an American cartoon that happens to use frames made in Japan.

>>29

>I'm 22 and I LOVE Card Captor Sakura.

I'm nearly 30 and CCS is, too, one of my favorites. I've watched some episodes (e.g. ep 16) more than a dozen times.

BTW, since we're talking about CCS and USA...
http://F.edulang.com/temp/Card%20Slayer%20Sakura.avi

>>29 It's "CardCRAPtors" not "CardCAPtors" that nelvana released

No, no it isn't.

Cardcaptors was rather popular when it was on Kids WB/YTV, so it was clearly liked by its intended audience.

>>30

Ok, so maybe pedophilia is too strong of a word, but Rika and Terada's relationship is still there in the anime, just far more toned down. It still seems inapropriate by American standards, hense why it was changed. They also omit mentioning how Sakura's parents got married when her mom was a high school student and her dad was her mom's teacher.

>>28

They may have changed the location, but Tokyo Tower still plays the same role it did in the original (they just call it the 'radio tower'). All the major plot points were kept in tact. There's still Clow Cards, and she still has to seal them.

It's fine to say "That americanized version is garbage compared to the original!" as that's usually the case. But try looking at the americanized version by itself and you'll see it's not that bad for an american cartoon.

>>32

>It's fine to say "That americanized version is garbage compared to the original!"

IMHO, no. Comparing an American show and an anime doesn't make sense, even if there's a (loose) relationship between them. It's like comparing the comics Witchblade and the anime Witchblade.

>But try looking at the americanized version by itself and you'll see it's not that bad for an american cartoon.

Yeah, "for an american cartoon"... That's not much of a competition. With the exception of Avatar, there weren't many quality cartoons during the last 30 years...

>>33 No real quality since the 80's really..........

-G

>>33
The only other non-anime I've likes in the last 10 years has been W.I.T.C.H (guilty pleasure), but that is Italian, and I think it's pretty good. Anime rip-off, but still pretty good (they even had an episode where they all go to the beach for no reason, and an episode where everyone breaks out in song)

I actually like Teen Titans, an anime clone.
Other than that, the last good American toon IMO was the old Saturday Morning version of Sonic, which even kicked Sonic X's ~bleep~ -- not that that is hard to do.

This seems like it's just a case of the "Japan is superior!" mind set.

You can't deny you loved American cartoons when you were younger, long before you even knew Japan existed. But now that we're all crotchety old men, we can't say if they're good or bad. American cartoons are aimed at younger children (with a few exceptions), so only they have the right to declare if something is good or not. Animation companies aren't going to care what a 20 something year old thinks of a show they release for 10 year olds. They'll see if the 10 year olds like it or not.

>>37

>This seems like it's just a case of the "Japan is superior!" mind set.

Right now, for animated series, Japan is definitely better. In that domain, the USA has had its hour of glory... half a century ago.

>You can't deny you loved American cartoons when you were younger

Actually, no. I watched crappy animes, crappily dubbed in French (and, indeed, enjoyed them). In the early eighties, Japan was really bad at making anime.

>so only they have the right to declare if something is good or not

I have the feeling (partly from my own experience) that you can feed pretty much any crap to kids. Heck, they'd even eat at McDonald's, which is the poster child of crappiness!

>American cartoons are aimed at younger children

Was the anime Card Captor Sakura originally made for adults?
(And, BTW, is "Avatar: the Last Airbender" made for adults?)

>>38
A lot of anime is aimed at the younger teen to older teen audience(13-16), mainly Male but some Female. There is some that are aimed at younger kinds 8+ like avatar and hello kitty. The rest is more or less aimed at teens 16+. Then the adult anime.
What some people don't remember or know is that the Japanese are different and have a different set of levels of acceptable for there children and whats ok for teens and so on. CCS in the Canada/US is re aimed at kids 8+ and edited for North American Christian values/what is excepted here in Canada/US. Just like a lot of imported anime, north American Christian values cause things to be changed to make it apportite for a north American children.

To sum it up:
North American Christian values ruin anime so they can make lots of $$$$ on toys and TV.

The fundamentally difference between japan and north America, will always cause some changes for things to be excepted as appropriate for our children and our clean Christian values.

Thats why i download anime and watch it and allmost never open the dvds i have because i would rather whatch the origal then something cleaned for God fearing Christians.

>>37
Back in the 80s and 90s, America was still making good cartoons in my opinion. I liked TMNT: Original Series, Sonic, Bucky O'Hare, Looney Toons (older but hey, they used to be on Saturdays for FREE), and a few Cartoon Network shows. Then, especially on Saturdays, American toons swapped over from entertainment to EDUtainment. GAG! With that, the only decent toons left that told stories were the 4Kids dubs. Japan does not by default have better animation; America just gave up on making good stories with good classical American animation (except for maybe a few shows for those who get cable or satellite).
>>39
And I don't think Christian values have anything to do with the heavy dubbing of anime. In fact, with the decline of Christian values in North America, we have seen an increasing sheltering of kids here. For crying out loud, we can't have competitive sports because the "losers" could have their feelings hurt. We can't even play tag on the playground because somebody might get hurt, and then somebody would HAVE to pay in a suit. Saturday mornings are pretty much gone as I knew them (toons from 7 to 11 baby!).
The way I see it, with the decline in values and the decline in parental involvement with their own children, society has picked up the slack and created all these arbitrary and pointless rules to keep kids sedated (the rise in ADD is probably due to the fact that kids are so incredibly BORED now) and penned-up. And now because the video game console is the only safe place for them to play, kids are getting fat! Gee, there's a shock!

Rant complete -- for now. MWHAHAHA!

>>40

>with the decline of Christian values in North America

I'm not sure how true http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/feb/24/usa.schools is, but Christian stupidity doesn't seem dead yet.

You have valid points, but do you notice this decline in American cartoons because you're older and have the ability of hindsight? Can an 8 year old really tell (or care for that matter) what's a good story? Or a deep plot? Look at Spongebob Squarepants. It's more or less pure stupidity 30 minutes at a time, but kids eat it up.

>>43
And HOW is that a good thing?

>>40

>Japan does not by default have better animation

Indeed, Walt Disney and Tex Avery were as good, if not better, animators as today's Japanese.

The huge difference (in 2008) is that the Japanese take anime seriously. In Western countries, it's just a stupid thing to keep little kids occupied.

I don't think it is hindsight, because around 1994, when the switch was in progress, I thought cartoons were becoming crap. And so did my younger brothers. And we were not even near adulthood.
I would say that kids eat up the garbage they show today because it is all they have. After all, Loony Toons can't even be compared to something like Spongebob.
>>42
Don't open that can of worms, Fabien.

>>43
It's also a matter of education. If you teach your kids to like good food, they won't eat at McDonald's.
And age isn't everything, since there are adults who watch Big Brother.

>>47
And age isn't everything, since there are adults who watch Big Brother.
Agreed.

>>47
very much agreed!

>>47 And age isn't everything, since there are adults who watch Big Brother

Wait, what does 'reality' TV have anything to do with this?

>>50

Big Brother is a good example of a crappy and plot-less show that lots of adults watch. I wanted to answer the point in >>43 which says that it's because we're adults that we care about the quality of what we watch.

Well, let's try to get things back on topic a bit. If Funi does save Nanoha, who would you like to see cast for the english voices?

No one, the English VA's do not put enough effort into it. I've heard a lot of dubbed Anime, and it sounds fake, especially when the VA's cry. At any rate I prefer Japanese streams compared to English. Well, tis my two cents anyway.

>>53

Naturally I expected this answer, but we all know it would get dubbed regardless. I myself always watch dubs and don't have a problem with the performance of english VAs. Though I can't say I can name many of them...

http://funimation.com/announcement/

Let's keep our fingers crossed

Based on the colouring i betting hellsing............

-Gabe

It's Claymore

i would have seen viz getting that one..........

-Gabe

Yeah, especially concidering the manga is a Shonen Jump title.

I wasn't really expecting a Geneon title. They just recently announced they were in talks to get those, so it would be way too soon for us to get a final word on that.