So I've been reading lots of Nanoha fanfiction and I go to AS a lot and read up there. Since this one fanfiction I've been reading just ended like yesterday, so I need moar. Since this one satisfied my romance side greatly, I want something a little less romantic with a little more explosions, preferably non AU, that doesn't suck (OCs are fine too :3)

So er... suggestions? I offer what's probably a repost. Thank you~

>>12 If people want more, I'll do some shorts for you about Yuunoha?

Yes please! Some more Yunno/Hayate stuff would be awesome too!

>>12
Satashi, it's your fault. It's your depicting Nanoha/Fate as an established couple that convinced me.
Before reading your fanfics, I thought the "official" couple was Nanoha and Yuuno; now, because of you, I'm a definite Nanoha/Fate and Hayate/Yuuno fan.
At first there was still a chance of changing my mind, but after "Come Fly with Me", the NanoFate couple is carved in stone.

>>14
I agree...It's all Satashi's fault. Now I'm on the Hayate/Yuuno side HARD

Welcome to Nanoha fanfiction where pairings are decided by thee-fault.

Here might be the right place to encourage everyone to watch "Candy Boy". I've just watched episode 1 (a few times), and it's the cutest shoujo-ai show I've ever seen.
<http://animesuki.com/series.php/1135.html>
[The "ONA" seems to be a prequel.]

>>17

Concidering most of the people in this thread dislike shoujo-ai, this is probably not the best place to try and sell that.

Though I find it decidedly ironic that a shoujo ai title has 'Boy' in it.

>>18
Have you been reading the same thread as me?

>>18 Are you on the same board as the rest of us adjusts his i love yuri t-shirt

-G

>>18

>Considering most of the people in this thread dislike shoujo-ai,

I'm not too sure about that, but if there are, Candy Boy might convert them :-p

>this is probably not the best place to try and sell that.

OTOH, I felt that it was as on-topic as a non-MGLN series can be.

>Though I find it decidedly ironic that a shoujo ai title has 'Boy' in it.

Indeed, that word in the title is the only reference to anything male in the entire anime (or, at least, what's been released yet.)

I have to wonder what goes through the mind of a shoujo-ai fan. Do you not feel conflicted? Don't you have this horrible feeling in your gut when you realise that these girls would rather get with each other rather than a male like yourselves? Isn't there some feeling of inadequecy? Doesn't Shoujo-ai send that "Men are useless and not needed" message?

Of course I have nothing against lesbian couples in real life, I just don't like it when used as an entertainment medium.

>>22

>I have to wonder what goes through the mind of a shoujo-ai fan.
>Do you not feel conflicted? Don't you have this horrible feeling
>in your gut when you realise that these girls would rather get
>with each other rather than a male like yourselves?

Well, from that point of vue, isn't it worse to see a girl with a male other than myself?

Anyway, this is anime, not real characters. You can't interact with them, only watch them (or, in the case of fanfics, imagine them.)
Hence, when, in a couple, there's one cute girl, it's nice. If there are two cute girls, it's twice better.

StrikerS is a typical example: Nanoha and Fate are both interesting characters; OTOH, in the Kyaro/Erio couple, Erio is just a sidekick, merely there so that Kyaro can shine in full pinku-ness.

>>23

>> Well, from that point of vue, isn't it worse to see a girl with a male other than myself?

Laugh Well, you got me there, but atleast there's some level of comradery since you're both males.

>>Anyway, this is anime, not real characters. You can't interact with them, only watch them

Right, but we all watch it for one reason: escapism. We like to project ourselves onto characters, see them as versions of ourselves. As such, we like to see them succeed. Especially when there's a female character you really like. Naturally you'd want the character you see as yourself end up with her. Of course this isn't possible for guys when both members of the couple are female.

>>there's one cute girl, it's nice. If there are two cute girls, it's twice better

I agree with this statement, but only in regards to porn. It's good for getting you off, but it's rather empty after that.

As a psychology major, it's my passion to understand how people think, hense my curiosity to the mind of a shoujo-ai fan.

>>24

>> Well, from that point of vue, isn't it worse to see a girl with a male other than myself?
>Well, you got me there, but at least there's some level of comradery since you're both males.

If anything, a male is a rival, while two females are two potential mates (even if they're in love with each other right now).

>Right, but we all watch it for one reason: escapism. We like to project ourselves onto
>characters, see them as versions of ourselves. As such, we like to see them succeed.

I'm not too sure about that.
While there are exceptions, there are two main types of love-related (non-hentai) animes or mangas:

• "shounen": the main character is male, and a loser. For some reason, he gets to live with one or more sexy females. This gives good fan-service (i.e. boobs & ass) to the viewer, but I really, really don't want to identify to that main male loser.

• "shoujo": the main character is female, sometimes pretty, sometimes not, and she falls in love with a cool male. But since we follow the story from the point of view of the female, I can't identify to the male either. However, this kind of mangas usually gives another kind of fan-service, non-sexual this time. It's about watching a female, with a female sensibility. It works with a girl too young for anything sexual to take place (like Kyaro, or Sakura in Card Captor Sakura), but not for a male, even when he's in a female body (e.g. Ranma).

>>there's one cute girl, it's nice. If there are two cute girls, it's twice better
>I agree with this statement, but only in regards to porn.
>[...] my curiosity to the mind of a shoujo-ai fan.

The word "cute" can be used in many contexts. You can use it to describe a naked well-endowed woman, or a smile, or a puppy... and I'm pretty sure you don't wanna have sex with a puppy ^^
[In fact, in English, using the word "cute" to mean "sexually attractive" seems erroneous (see <http://www.answers.com/cute&r=67>).]

Anyway, I'm more interested about female characters than male characters. The first two seasons of MGLN are a good example of what I mean: most characters are female, but the two (or three in A's) main characters are too young for any sexual attractiveness to take place.
Another example: Sketchbook full color's. It's just an anime about everyday life, but the main characters are all female, and if that wasn't the case, I'm not sure I'd have gotten interested. [Two similar, slightly better-known examples, are Lucky Star and Aria.]

Now, when you have a cast of female characters, and you want to talk about love, you have two choices:

- Take two of those characters, and watch them interact.
- Add a male character just for the occasion. But to get a balanced couple, you have to develop the male character, give him screen time, and thus less screen time for the females.

Then again, you can succeed in making a cute heterosexual couple too. I just love the first two episodes of Lamune.

>>25

>>while two females are two potential mates (even if they're in love with each other right now)

But there's the main problem. Since the girls are in love with each other, they wouldn't give two shits about you, and thus you're left out in the cold.

>>there are two main types of love-related (non-hentai) animes or mangas

Yeah, those are the major 2 stereotypes.

>>I really, really don't want to identify to that main male loser

Most of us don't want to, but the fact remains that the majority of otaku are indeed losers who have no luck with girls. This is why shonen romances are so successful (fanservice helps too).

>>But since we follow the story from the point of view of the female, I can't identify to the male either.

Well, remember, shoujo stuff is targeted at females. It doesn't matter if a male reader can't identify with the characters.

>>It works with a girl too young for anything sexual to take place (like Kyaro, or Sakura in Card Captor Sakura)

You're obviously not trying hard enough wink

I myself prefer shoujo romances over shonen. They're just far more pure and down to Earth.

I guess the purity aspect could be a reason why shoujo-ai is so popular, since it eliminates the 'filthy' male element. Any thoughts on that?

In the case of shows with female leads, I find myself still able to indentify with them as a person.For example, while I can't indentify with Gunbuster's Noriko as another woman, I can still indentify with her struggle to better herself.

>>I'm more interested about female characters than male characters.

I feel the same way as well, and I can agree that with no males around, if you want some romance, you have no choice but to go the shoujo-ai route. However, I can't stand when people take an obviously straight character and make them out to be homosexual. For instance, take Kagami from Lucky Star. She clearly hopes to get a boyfriend, yet the fanbase is always pairing her with Konata and then saying anything else is blasphemy. It's a tad more acceptable in Nanoha atleast, what with all the intentional ambiguty.

Nanoha does give us enough males for a few couples though. They get enough deveoplement for the pairings to work. But other than the potential for hot girl on girl action, I fail to see how shouji-ai pairings are 'superior' to hetero. Why exactly is Nanoha/Fate so much better than Nanoha/Yuuno?

>>I really, really don't want to identify to that main male loser

>Most of us don't want to, but the fact remains that the majority of otaku are indeed losers who have no luck with girls.

There's a gap between being a loser, and admitting it and identifying to such a character.
I think it's more like "Hey, look, here's one that's even more pitiful than me!"

>>But since we follow the story from the point of view of the female, I can't identify to the male either.

>It doesn't matter if a male reader can't identify with the characters.

I know. But my point was, in the two main genres of "romance" manga, I can't identify to the main character. In other words, in both cases I'm just an external viewer.

>I myself prefer shoujo romances over shonen. They're just far more pure and down to Earth.

More like, shoujo romances are about romance; shounen ones are about meat (boobs, ...)

>For instance, take Kagami from Lucky Star. She clearly hopes to get a boyfriend,
>yet the fanbase is always pairing her with Konata and then saying anything else is blasphemy.

It's kind of my point: when, in a show, there are only females, pairings end up homosexual.

>But other than the potential for hot girl on girl action,

You make it sounds like hentai again. Go watch Candy Boy episode 1 (I recommend Froth-Bite's translation, which seems the most accurate), which is the softest shoujo-ai you'll ever find, and tell me if you could imagine the same with a heterosexual couple.

>Why exactly is Nanoha/Fate so much better than Nanoha/Yuuno?

I just can't take Yuuno seriously as Nanoha's boyfriend. I mean, in MGLN, he's a pet; in A's he's a familiar (He has exactly the same role as Arf), and in StrikerS he just isn't there.

>Nanoha does give us enough males for a few couples though.

Chrono is married, and I have a hard time imagining Nanoha with Vice, Acous, or any of the scant male cast. Fate with Vice maybe?

>>27

>>"Hey, look, here's one that's even more pitiful than me!"

Yeah, there's that too. But even with that, you're still recognising similar traits between you and the character, only the character is worse off than you are.

The point is, that as men, we'll never be able to identify what it's like to be a girl in love with another girl.

>>It's kind of my point: when, in a show, there are only females, pairings end up homosexual

Right, but even then it doesn't make those pairings official. There are series that have NO romance in them after all. Nanoha is one such series.

But I'm kinding running together the "why do people like shoujo-ai" question with my usual "they aren't canon gay" argument.

>>Go watch Candy Boy episode 1

I dunno... I discovered my whole 'I'm not comfortable with shoujo-ai' thing when I could barely sit through the last episode of Kannazuki no Miko when it became super heavy on the Himeko/Chikane syrup. I guess in the end I'm really (and I mean really) old fashioned. Men falling in love with women and vise versa, sex being saved for after marriage, etc.

... I don't think it's natural for a 21 year old to feel this old.

>>I just can't take Yuuno seriously as Nanoha's boyfriend

I suggest listening to StrikerS sound stage 3, track 15. Yuuno contacts Nanoha on the Asura (this is after Vivio is captured), and Yuuno gives her some words of support. She's so moved she starts crying. It's not translated, but you can still feel the emotion in their voices. Yuuno was always some one Nanoha could open up to because of their similar experiences.

>>Chrono is married, and I have a hard time imagining Nanoha with Vice, Acous, or any of the scant male cast. Fate with Vice maybe?

All it takes is a skilled author and an open minded reader and any pairing can work. Nanoha/Yuuno, Fate/Yuuno, Hayate/Yuuno, Teana/Vice, Vice/Alto, Vice/Signum, Griffith/Shari, Griffith/Lucino, Griffith/Hayate, Zafira/Arf, Zest/Signum, Fate/Erio, Lutecia/Erio, Hayate/Verossa, Carim/Verossa, Teana/Verossa, Schah/Verossa, Fate/Jail. Of course some of these seem down right perposterous (and a few apalling I'm sure), but with enough imagination, all of them could potentially work. Yet 90% of the stuff we see is all Nanoha/Fate.

>>28

>you're still recognising similar traits between you and the character

[OT rant, sorry...]
In fact, there is one character I recognised lots of common traits with: Konata.
But then again, it might be because Lucky Star is one of the most realistic animes I've ever watched.
While Tsukasa and Miyuki are typical anime girls, Kagami is a typical real-life schoolgirl.
How to eat an ice-cream cones, or, more generally, a dish composed of two parts, seems unimportant, but it's the kind of question you really encounter in everyday life.
Back to Konata: her daily fight against homework (and how to copy it off a serious girl's, or to explain to the teacher why it was left undone), how she leave her books at school, how she takes a joke seriously ("Kagami-sama") to be the last one laughing, it's exactly me (at least, when I was still at school).

>The point is, that as men, we'll never be able to identify what it's like to be a girl in love with another girl.

Then again, since I am attracted to females, seeing the main character attracted to a female feels normal to me -- even if that main character is a female too.
(OTOH, a man attracted to another man is something I just can't imagine: I can intellectually admit that it's possible, but I can't feel anything.)

>I discovered my whole 'I'm not comfortable with shoujo-ai' thing

It's like big eyes or reading mangas from right to left: it takes a little while to get used to it, that's all...
(BTW, I like Card Captor Sakura for that: it's an innocent (as well as great) anime, but all types of couple (straight, gay, lesbian) are treated as perfectly normal, and even seeing Sakura and Shaoran compete for Yukito's love seems normal to everyone.)

>[...] Kannazuki no Miko [...)

As far as I remember (the anime bored me quite quickly), Kannazuki no Miko is far more explicit.

>Yuuno was always some one Nanoha could open up to because of their similar experiences.

Yep, Yuuno is definitely Nanoha's friend, the shoulder she can rely on. That's completely different from being her boyfriend.

>Nanoha/Yuuno, Fate/Yuuno, Hayate/Yuuno, Teana/Vice, Vice/Alto[...]

You forgot Momoko/Zafira and Regius/Lutecia.

(On that subject, I really like Satashi's Kyaro/Erio/Lutecia ménage à trois.)

>You forgot Momoko/Zafira and Regius/Lutecia.

there's more Zafira x Subaru

/thread

>>Yep, Yuuno is definitely Nanoha's friend, the shoulder she can rely on. That's completely different from being her boyfriend

I don't know about you, but that's definitely a trait I'd want my boyfriend to have (if I were a girl).

So then, what exactly makes Fate 'boyfriend' material?

>>31

>I don't know about you, but that's definitely a trait I'd want my boyfriend to have (if I were a girl).

I feel that the criterion "in love with" and the criterion "shoulder" are pretty much orthogonal.

>So then, what exactly makes Fate 'boyfriend' material?

Well, as I said before, after having read several fanfics from Satashi, the NanoFate couple felt completely obvious to me. They just go awfully well together. I just don't get the same vibes from a Nanoha/ferret couple.

Note that the word "boyfriend" is not correct. There's noone playing the "role of the male". It's a pretty much symmetrical relationship.

>>Note that the word "boyfriend" is not correct. There's noone playing the "role of the male". It's a pretty much symmetrical relationship.

Yeah, I know it's not, hense the quotations. I couldn't use girlfriend, because we all know girls also like to call their regular friends girlfriends. You understood what I was getting at though.

Out of curiosity, have you read Satashi's Nanoha/Yuuno stuff? What did you think about those?

>>33

>Out of curiosity, have you read Satashi's Nanoha/Yuuno stuff? What did you think about those?

Well... not really. With NanoFate being Statshi's "official" couple, I'd really need a fanfic where Fate is not present, to enjoy the Nanoha/Yuuno couple. Counter-examples are "Peachy Keen" (see the end), and "The Night" (The story starts with Fate and Nahoha in the same bed.)

OTOH, I truly love the cute Shaoran/Sakura fanfics, like "Rainy Day" or "Sleepless Night".

>>"Peachy Keen" (see the end)

Hey, if it's a Nanoha/Yuuno/Fate three way, everyone wins!

I'm actually going to give writing a N/F fic a shot. Look forward to it.

whaaaaaaa? My old CCS stuff? @_@ wow that's hardcore oldschool there.

Got distracted from the promised Yuunoha and am currently doing a story about Vampire!Fate (image thanks to Mercurian Angel).

I'll still do a Yuunoha, anyone have anything specific they want to see? Anything at all?

Random note: I don't have an "official" couple. Nanoha/Fate is just easier to write than Yuunoha, so I can do more on it. I started out as a pure Yuunoha lover and was talked into Nanoha/Fate rather reluctantly. That's why my first ones are Yuunoha, then goes to Yuunoha with deep Nanoha/Fate friendship, and then a tentative Nanoha/Fate central. At first I despised the two girls together hehe

>>36

>whaaaaaaa? My old CCS stuff? @_@ wow that's hardcore oldschool there.

The thing is, I discovered your work thanks to a message posted here (i.e. after StrikerS started), so I actually read your CCS fanfics last year, after the Nanoha fanfics. And anyway, that TV series is so good that I still watch it from time to time, seven years later.
[Also, you did publish a CCS fanfic in January/March 2007.]

>I'll still do a Yuunoha, anyone have anything specific they want to see? Anything at all?

After trying to remember all I've read from you, I think what I like best is that those short stories where the two lovers (either Nanoha/Fate or Sakura/Syaoran) are alone together. In fact, there can be lots of people around, but they're unimportant: the two have only eyes for each other.

If Nanoha and Fate aren't lovers, they're still very close friends. Hence, I believe you shouldn't mention Fate in a Yuuno/Nanoha fanfic: if she appears, she'll end up taking too big a place, and it won't be a "real" Nanoha/Yuuno any more.

>Random note: I don't have an "official" couple. Nanoha/Fate is just easier to write than Yuunoha, so I can do more on it.

Indeed, there are quite a few pages where Nanoha and Fate are an "old couple".

>I started out as a pure Yuunoha lover and was talked into Nanoha/Fate rather reluctantly.
>[...]
>At first I despised the two girls together hehe

Funny to see that after all that, you did manage to convince me that Nanoha/Fate was the official couple ;-p

And that way, that leaves Yuuno free for Hayate :-)

>>36

>>I'll still do a Yuunoha, anyone have anything specific they want to see? Anything at all?

I'd be fine with anything really, but it'd be nice if it wasn't too serious, just something light and romantic. Not nessesarily sexual though.

>>Nanoha/Fate is just easier to write

I guess that's another thing with me. I like to challenge myself so I like to write about pairings that require a little effort to make work.

I will admit that part of me thinks that N/F authors are just taking the easy way out or just bandwagon hopping, but that's not fair at all, so I shall beat down that part of me.

>>you did manage to convince me that Nanoha/Fate was the official couple

Fanfics are, of course, anything but official, so that you've derived something 'official' from a fanfic doesn't sound right. You should probably say "Satashi's fics made Nanoha/Fate my OTP (one true pairing)" to be more accurate.

>>38
Yeah, in fact I should have used the word "natural" instead of "official".

Also, there's a kind of chronology inside Satashi's main universe: first, Nanoha & Yuuno. Then they break up but stay close friends. Nanoha goes with Fate, and, later, Yuuno with Hayate and Subaru with Teana. Of course, the Erio/Kyaro couple (or the Lutecia/Erio/Kyaro threesome) was a given.

>>39

Well, fanfics work in such a way that it changes the show so that various things do feel natural. If it didn't feel natural, then that means it's poorly written. Having read some of Satashi's 6th Division fics (to be honest, I did force myself through them, but gave up eventually. Not because I think Satashi's writing is bad, I simply don't feel comfortable with N/F), he tweaked the universe significantly to make his story work. So what made N/F seem natural in his fics may not nessesarily transfer over to the actual show.

Of course if you do feel that it does transfer, then so be it. I have no right to say you don't feel the way you feel.

>>40

>Having read some of Satashi's 6th Division fics
>[...]he tweaked the universe significantly to make his story work.

They're not my favourites, actually. I prefer the shorter ones. And those don't stretch the canon much.

>So what made N/F seem natural in his fics may not nessesarily transfer over to the actual show.

The MGLN TV show is special: it has been carefully written to hint at a lot of relationships, but to let the possibilities open, so that the fans can fantasize about whichever relationship they wish.

W00T Been a while since i posted on this board.

I really wanna see a completion of the MD6 books, those are my favorite of Satashi's Fics. While I like N/F im getting a little tired of it x_X, i cant even get into reading that Bell one (only got of up to the chapter where Nanoha got sponsored by Precia)

Personally atm id be more interested in seeing some Yunno/Hayate, Tia/Subaru and Elio/Caro/Lutecia. More Yuuno/Hayate cause thats like my favorite coupling now.

( Hello Satashi!! been awhile since ive talked to you :) )

Hayate/Yuuno...

What have I done? lol

Currently juggling so many fics >.< Vampire!Fate has a lot of my attention right now but I'm still trying to do a yuunoha and a Hayate/Yuuno one as well.

Gotta write whatever inspiration hits >< sucks I can't just pick and choose what I want to do.

>>43

>>Gotta write whatever inspiration hits >< sucks I can't just pick and choose what I want to do.

Such is the life of a writer. I understand your pain. Right now I have my Ace Enforcer fic, a N/F one I want to give a shot, and my sadistic friend wants me to write a My HiME fic where Golgo 13 takes out all the HiMEs (it was my idea though). Work gives me ample time to brainstorm ideas though.

Let's talk about writing techniques for a moment. What is the usual process for you guys? For me, I play out the story I want to write in my head like it were an actual episode of anime. Then I just put that into words.

x_X i cant put my thoughts to words so though i want to write i cant. id love to put my ideas into a game or manga style format though but i cant draw or program. I AM learning how to do 3d modeling, ill have to see how that comes about.

A game based in the nanoha-verse would be awesome

Super Lyrical Wars? XD

BTW i should say an ENGLISH nanoha game. i know there are japanese ones

http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=1608384&postcount=4776

Did a small Yuuno/Hayate in my spare time

sorry double post, but to answer process:

I generally don't plan much of anything, but instead just think about it. It plays out like an anime episode in my head (like someone else said), and I just run with it. Kinda leaves me in a bind sometimes do to lack of planning but that's just how I roll ( lol)

>>48

Absolutely wonderful. I certainly wouldn't mind the billions of Nanoha/Fate fics out there if there was more stuff like this around.

>>48

nyahaha, that was cute

I said I was gonna do a N/F fic, so I did:

http://www.fanfiction.net/s/4364228/1/

Please tell me what you think.

>>52
Copy-pasta from FF.N review

Before I begin I must state that I am a supporter of Nanoha and Yuuno, as well as Nanoha and Fate, and have written fanfiction about both couples. The following review was made with a neutral outlook regarding the characters.

Very poorly done. I love a good Yuunoha but this one was tactless, not well written, and marketed to the wrong people. Most of the story did not flow well, and it was painful the way you beat around Yuuno's gender. Your sentences were not fluent and generally were an annoyance to get through.

Interaction between the characters were cheesy to say the least. A simple he-said, she-said was apparent and it felt almost robotic. The lines were cliché as well, and I knew this would be "one of those fics" as soon as I got past the opening. Describing a dress and then saying that it isn't as good as the smile of the one wearing it... That is something so painfully cliché it hurts just seeing it.

The wedding itself was poorly under developed after the long build up to it. The summary says it is about Nanoha's wedding, but it ends right when the wedding starts. I highly recommend that this author does research on what he or she want to write about before going into it.

The author, before changing it, stated that he or she wrote this fanfiction just to see people's reactions after a misleading couple declaration. Such actions show no respect for the readers, and I think that is why this author's fanfiction works are not nearly as good as they could be. My advice to the author would be this: Think about why you write. If you do it just to upset your readers, you will never be a good author. You will never improve until you learn how to please your target audience. Removing your author's notes at the end of this story is a good start. Next time you write, be sure you know what you want and what your fans want. Do not let them control you and what you write, and do not be afraid to write what you want. If you support a minor coupling, then that is okay. Don't try and trick your readers into reading a story they won't like. Aim for the crowd you want, and if others don't like it, then that is okay because they were not your target audience (Such as, a comedy fan not liking a horror novel). Do not, however, disrespect the people. Without readers, writers are nothing. Never forget that.

I give this 1 of 5 stars for bad word flow, bad dialog, bad plot, no originality, and poor execution of an idea. As this was so short, there is not much else to say. You simply need to work on your writing abilities as a whole.

>>53

Yeah, I bet ff.net will delete that review. That place has gotten so bad that anything that isn't circlejerk material will get your account suspended.

>>54

Nah, it'll stay.

>>53

Well Satashi, I really can't argue with you. It was one of those things where it seemed like a good idea at first, but then once it actually came out and I slept on it, I realised that I went about it the wrong way, which is why I removed those notes.

I guess the point of it was I wanted to show how most of the points that make Nanoha/Fate a couple can also apply to Nanoha/Yuuno. That's why I tried to be ambiguous and misleading as possible (which certainly attests to the 'train wreck' I'm sure), to make the reader think "Oh, this is Nanoha/Fate!" but then at the end it's actually Yuuno, at which point I was hoping the reader would think "Hey, it wasn't Fate, but... it still works!" I marked it as 'N/F' at first to further this, and also to ensure that people actually read it (because you know 90% of people would skip over it otherwise). When I realised that N/F could also stand for Nanoha/Ferret, I thought I was oh so clever. Really shot myself in the foot there didn't I?

Well, to err is human after all. I admit my mistakes, but I'll still stand by them. This'll certainly be the last time I ever write something to send a message. I'll just stick to writing to amuse myself.

I've got a few positive reviews though, so I'm not a 100% failure anyways.

>>53
Satashi, I think you're a little harsh here.
This text didn't strike me as especially badly written -- heck, I read it to the end, which, from me, is saying a lot.
I really don't understand the violence of your comments about the style.

The text is a joke more than a fanfiction. I think you did the same thing with "Play With Mii", except of course that you gave the explanation away right from the beginning, with the title.
It seems to me that you took the joke seriously, hence your violent reaction. Well, I suppose it's the danger of jokes, especially those made in public: there's always the risk of offending someone. Perhaps a disclaimer would be a good idea. Not at the beginning (it would give it away), but at the end maybe?

I didn't intend to be "violent" with it, I simply reviewed it like I would any other story. I don't tell people "hey you did well!" but actually REVIEW it, much like a film critic. I spoke my mind without sugar coating it. A good author can take it and learn from it. Judging from what this author replied with, I think it is clear that s/he learned from it. That is what's important. Not the quality of said fic, but the experience gained FROM it.

Doing a trick isn't bad in of itself (I did it too on the AnimeSuki board), but the way it is done is key. First, you don't have to trick the people into reading it, but rather, trick one ones that DID read it. For example, if you left out all the confusion trying to make people think it was Fate before they read it, then the ending would be a "surprise" rather than a "haha, I fooled you". Readers may not like the ending, but they would have no reason to attack you for it. The overall quality of your fic would have been better and all misunderstandings would be the reader's fault rather than the authors. Done correctly, it could be a test on one's own writing skills.

I did a lemon scene that ended up being with Nanoha/Yuuno at the end. I danced around enough to make people go either way, and the results were that some were shocked and some were pissed. But I never once -claimed- anything. Controlling what your readers think is a key technique that great authors can do. I'm still learning it myself. You have to be careful to respect the people reading as you play with it.

@Fabien: I do a ton of puns (play on words), but if my fic is supposed to be silly, I try to make it clear at the get-go. I really didn't mean to be violent.

If you are interested, you can check to see what reviews I have left before on other people's stories and you'll see that I go by a ranking system and am serious when it comes to "reviews". I don't believe in attacking, but just giving my opinion.

And everyone and their brother has an opinion :3 Feel free to ignore what I say, as it's only my views and mine alone.

>>58

>First, you don't have to trick the people into reading it, but rather, trick one ones that DID read it.

OK. He did make a mistake (advertising the fic as a NanoFate), but, by the time you wrote your review, he had already aknowledged and fixed it.
So, if we talk about the fanfic as it was when you wrote the review, or as it is now, do you think it's dishonest?

>And everyone and their brother has an opinion :3 Feel free to ignore what I say,

I could, but I wanted to know whether you wrote that out of anger or not. You sounded like you were really angry from having been tricked.

>>56

>and also to ensure that people actually read it
>This'll certainly be the last time I ever write something to send a message.
>I'll just stick to writing to amuse myself.

You're going from one extreme to another. Using lies to advertise your work is definitely bad (Every single company I know of does that, so we don't need fanfics authors to copy the behaviour.) However, uploading on fanfiction.net a text you're proud of is a good idea. Don't think you're not read. You can have dozens of silent readers for one "active" reader who'll leave a review.

>Well, to err is human after all. [...] so I'm not a 100% failure anyways.

One thing I can say: this experience wasn't a complete failure, since you learnt something (in the "What not to do" section). Not the most enjoyable experience, but that kind of wisdom is always learnt the hard way :-(
[Like in, people only learn that backups are important when they actually lose data.]

When I make a stupid mistake, I tend to shy away, saying "Better stop everything". It's definitely not the right behavior, so don't be like me.

>>60

>> Using lies to advertise your work is definitely bad

While I completely agree, I intended to use the excuse "I never said N/F stood for Nanoha/Fate!" to cover my ass. But I suppose with holding the truth is just as bad as lying.

But yeah, it seems to be getting a better reception now that I'm not blatantly coming off as a dick. I'm normally a very modest person, and this is just another example of why I shouldn't gloat.

And I didn't mean I was going to stop uploading stuff to FF.net. Whenever I write something I just post it for the hell of it anyways. This is just the first time I did something directly aimed at getting a response from the readers. Normally I just write to amuse myself/whoever requested a fic from me, and if some one else happens to enjoy it as well, all the better. Case in point would be the My HiME/Golgo 13 crossover I'm currently writing. I'm doing it solely to quench my friend's bloodlust, but it seems others are enjoying it as well.

Also, my Sweet Songs fic was written in basically one night, and while I tossed around a few ideas, I didn't have a concrete plan set. I rarely do when I write, and just let stuff flow out when I put my pen to paper (or fingers to keyboard). My Ace Enforcer fic on the other hand has been meticulously planned out, as it's my first attempt at writing a mystery. Hopefully it will turn out to be higher quality because of it.

But man, Fanfiction.net has sure become a vastly different place from when I first started visiting 5 years ago.

Well, I'll probably break from writing for a bit anyways. I got me some gunpla to build.

>I could, but I wanted to know whether you wrote that out of anger or not. You sounded like you were really angry from having been tricked.

Nah, I wasn't tricked. I was told what it was before I read it and I read it 'cause it was a Yuunoha. (Another reason to properly target the people you wanna reach. I wouldn't have read it if I thought it was NanoFate)